Episode 21 - Tackling Tuna, Sustainability, and the 2048 Seafood Myth with Dr. Tom Pickerell
Posted by Emma on 16th Aug 2019
The latest episode of The Ceres Podcast dives deep into the complexities of seafood sustainability with the insightful Dr Tom Pickerell, Global Tuna Director at the Sustainable Fisheries Partnership. Hosted by Stelios, this episode is packed with thought-provoking discussions on topics ranging from seafood myths to industry ethics, offering plenty of food for thought for fish & chip shop owners, small business operators, and seafood enthusiasts alike.
Dr Pickerell, known for his work advising global retail giants like Walmart and Disney on sustainable seafood practices, begins by tackling a widely circulated myth: the idea that seafood will be off the menu by 2048. This claim, stemming from a misunderstood 2006 study, has been thoroughly debunked yet persists in public discourse. Pickerell explains how well-managed fisheries, like those adhering to Marine Stewardship Council standards, thrive while under-managed ones struggle. His insights illuminate the need for nuanced conversations about sustainability rather than apocalyptic predictions.
Listeners are also treated to a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at the Enjoy Fish and Chips campaign, one of the UK's largest nutritional studies on fish and chips. Stelios and Tom reminisce about how the campaign demystified portion sizes, encouraging businesses to label large servings accurately and explore smaller options—enhancing customer satisfaction and reducing waste.
The conversation doesn't shy away from hard-hitting topics. Pickerell candidly discusses overfishing, the ethics of aquaculture, and the often-overlooked issue of bycatch, particularly in tuna fisheries. His explanation of the challenges in tuna management—complicated by international politics and inconsistent regulations—reveals the delicate balance between conservation and industry needs. "Sustainability isn't anti-industry," Pickerell notes, emphasising that sustainable practices benefit both the oceans and businesses in the long run.
One of the episode's standout moments is the discussion on tuna fishing methods. While line-caught tuna is often lauded for its sustainability, Pickerell explains the unintended consequences, such as bycatch of endangered species like albatrosses. This nuanced view challenges oversimplified narratives and encourages listeners to think critically about the environmental footprint of their choices.
The podcast also ventures into broader societal concerns, such as the murky world of human rights abuses in high-seas fishing. Pickerell's description of "motherships," which allow fishing vessels to remain at sea for months, highlights how disconnected supply chains can perpetuate exploitation. The conversation underscores the importance of transparency and traceability in ensuring ethical practices across the seafood industry.
Amid these heavy topics, there's room for lighter, relatable moments. Pickerell shares anecdotes about learning to batter fish during his time at Seafish, and Stelios humorously laments the rise of paper straws. These personal touches create an engaging listening experience that blends expertise with authenticity.
As the episode wraps up, listeners are left with a clear call to action: challenge doom-laden headlines, support sustainable seafood initiatives, and consider the ripple effects of individual choices. This episode is a must-listen for those intrigued by the intricate dance between business, conservation, and policy.
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