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Episode 192: Weathering the Storm – Tim Barnes and Paul Goodgame on Challenges, Innovation, and People Power in Fish & Chips

Posted by Emma on 20th Nov 2024

The fish and chip industry is no stranger to challenges, but how do leading figures navigate unpredictable weather, staffing pressures, and economic uncertainties? In Episode 192 of The Ceres Podca … read more

Episode 191: Tackling the UK Budget, Business Challenges, and More

Posted by Emma on 16th Nov 2024

In Episode 191 of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios and co-host David Nicolaou take listeners on a lively journey through some of the most pressing issues affecting businesses and the economy today. From … read more

Episode 190: Masterclass Interview – From Farm to Fryer with Patrick Clabon and Stuart Mitchell

Posted by Emma on 8th Nov 2024

In Episode 190 of the Ceres Podcast, hosts Stelios Theocharous and David Miller (of Millers in Haxby) are joined by two industry heavyweights: Patrick Clabon from HG Bliss Farms and Stuart Mitch … read more

Episode 189: UK Hospitality's Kate Nicholls on the Triple Whammy of Taxes, Rates, and Wages

Posted by Emma on 5th Nov 2024

In Episode 189 of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Kate Nicholls, CEO of UK Hospitality, to explore the profound challenges facing the hospitality indust … read more

Episode 188: Untangling the Business Rates Knot with John Webber – The Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emma on 1st Nov 2024

In Episode 188 of The Ceres Podcast, Stelios sits down with John Webber, Director & Head of Rating at Colliers, to dissect the implications of the latest UK budget and its impact on business rat … read more

Episode 187: Triumph, Challenges, and Lessons from Burton Road Chippy

Posted by Emma on 31st Oct 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Mark Petrou sits down with Lesley Graves and Des Anastasiou, the dynamic duo behind Burton Road Chippy in Lincoln. Their story is one of resilience, … read more

Episode 186: Unpacking VAT investigations with Les Howard

Posted by Emma on 31st Oct 2024

In Episode 186 of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios welcomes back VAT expert Les Howard for another enlightening and engaging discussion on the complexities of Value Added Tax (VAT). From quirky tax cases … read more

Title: Episode 185: News Review with Jamie Russo – Greggs vs McDonald’s, VAT on Cake, and Government Overreach

Posted by Emma on 29th Oct 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Stelios and guest Jamie Russo dive headfirst into a whirlwind of news stories, offering sharp insights, lively debates, and industry reflect … read more

Episode 184: The Journey of Austen Dack and the Evolution of Chippy Chat

Posted by Emma on 22nd Oct 2024

In Episode 184 of The Ceres Podcast, host Mark Petrou sits down with Austen Dack, publishing editor of Chippy Chat. Together, they unpack Austen’s fascinating career journey, the evolution … read more

Episode 183: Peter Farrell’s Journey Through Triumph and Tragedy

Posted by Emma on 18th Oct 2024

In Episode 183 of The Ceres Podcast, host Stelios sits down with Peter Farrell, a hospitality leader with a remarkable story of resilience and reinvention. From working in Michelin-starred kit … read more

Episode 182 - Mark Petrou talks to Stuart Fusco about the Fusco Family Legacy

Posted by Emma on 14th Oct 2024

Mark Petrou and Stuart Fusco come together for a fascinating discussion in this episode of the Ceres Podcast, giving listeners an insight into their personal and professional journeys within t … read more

Episode 181: Unpacking VAT with Stelios & Les Howard

Posted by Emma on 7th Sep 2024

Stelios and Les Howard from VAT Advice dive deep into the complexities of VAT (Value Added Tax) and how it affects various industries, mainly focusing on the food sector, small businesses, and char … read more

Episode 180 - The Winning Recipe with Krispies' Tim & Kelly Barnes

Posted by Emily on 6th Sep 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Mark Petrou sits down with Tim and Kelly Barnes, owners of Krispies in Exmouth, to discuss their incredible journey from a holiday romance to running an award- … read more

Episode 179 - Read The News with Stelios, David and Guest Charlie Collins

Posted by Emma on 2nd Sep 2024

In Episode 179 of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios, David Nicolaou, and guest Charlie Collins gather for a news review that dives into a mix of light-hearted banter, hospitality challenges, and insigh … read more

Episode 178: Leadership vs. Management - with Lee Sheldon from Managing Multi-Units

Posted by Emma on 1st Sep 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Stelios sits down for an engaging conversation with Lee Sheldon from Mastering Multi-Units (MMU). As Lee celebrates the 10th anniversary of MMU, the … read more

Episode 177 - Adrian Tweedale’s Fish & Chip Journey

Posted by Emma on 6th Aug 2024

Adrian Tweedale, owner of the Elite Fish & Chip chain, joined Mark Petrou for an insightful conversation on the Ceres Podcast. Reflecting on his journey in the industry, Adrian shared stories that … read more

Episode 176: Exploring the World of Seed Potatoes with Terry Jones from Meijer Potato

Posted by Emily on 5th Aug 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, hosts Stelios and David Miller dive deep into the fascinating world of seed potatoes with Terry Jones, UK Sales Manager at Meijer Potato. While many in t … read more

Episode 175: From Sculpture Degrees to Fish Frying Masters

Posted by Emma on 19th Jul 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Mark Petrou sits down with James Ritchie and Bonny Layhe, the duo behind Simpsons Fish & Chips, winners of the coveted Fish & Chip Shop of the Year in 201 … read more

Episode 174: A Hot Debate on the Ceres Podsquad

Posted by Emma on 10th Jul 2024

In this engaging episode of the Ceres Podsquad, Stelios is joined by industry experts David Miller, Mark Petrou, David Nicolaou, and Kelly Barnes for an insightful and spirited discussion about the … read more

Episode 173: Pre-Cut Chips Masterclass

Posted by Emma on 10th Jul 2024

In the latest episode of Ceres Podcast Masterclass, Stelios sits down with co-host David Miller to dive deep into the growing trend of pre-prepped chips. These ready-to-use chips, often referred to … read more

Episode 172: Allen Simpson on VAT Reform, Business Rates, and the Future of Hospitality

Posted by Emma on 27th Jun 2024

In this engaging episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios welcomes Allen Simpson, Deputy CEO of UKHospitality, for a dynamic conversation on the current state of the hospitality sector and its broader … read more

Episode 171 - An Interview with Paul Graham of PG Chips

Posted by Emma on 21st Jun 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios and David Miller sit down with Paul Graham, founder of PG Chips, to delve into the family legacy of potatoes, business reinvestment, and the future of … read more

Episode 170: Mark Petrou and Alistair Horabin Talk Challenges, Health, and Fish & Chips

Posted by Emma on 21st Jun 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Mark Petrou sits down with Alistair Horabin, a well-known figure in the fish and chip industry, for a candid conversation about business, personal grow … read more

Episode 169 - Thumb-Biting Drama and Tax Troubles

Posted by Emma on 20th Jun 2024

In this engaging episode of Read the News, Stelios and co-host David Nicolaou dive into a mix of quirky headlines and deep topics, bringing their signature humour and insightful banter to the foref … read more

Episode 168 - Insights from John Bones of R S Cockerill Potatoes

Posted by Emma on 6th Jun 2024

In Episode 168 of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios and co-host David Miller sit down with John Bones, Commercial Director of R S Cockerill Potatoes, for a deep dive into the potato industry. Fr … read more

Episode 167 - A Conversation with Stuart Devine

Posted by Emma on 5th Jun 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios welcomes back Stuart Devine, the Operations Director of The Ashvale, a well-known Scottish fish and chip chain. Stuart shares insights from over 30 yea … read more

Episode 166 - Chipping Masterclass

Posted by Emma on 30th May 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios and co-host David Miller take a deep dive into a subject near and dear to every fish and chip shop owner—chipping. If you think making great chip … read more

Episode 165 - Andy Thrasyvoulou’s Journey in Fish & Chips

Posted by Emma on 29th May 2024

In this episode, Mark Petrou interviews Andy Thrasyvoulou, a fish and chip industry legend and the 2002 Fish and Chip Shop of the Year winner. Andy shares his journey, starting from his family’s im … read more

Episode 164 - Master Class - Potato Peeling with David Miller & Stelios

Posted by Emma on 28th May 2024

In episode 164 of the Ceres Podcast, "The Potato Peeling Episode," hosts David Miller and Stelios focus on optimising potato preparation for the fish and chip industry. This episode is part of the … read more

Episode 163: Demetri Lawton Discusses the Fish & Chips on the Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emily on 27th May 2024

The host welcomes Demetri Lawton in this episode, marking his first appearance on the Ceres Podcast. The conversation begins with reflecting on their previous interactions and meetings, including a … read more

Episode 162: Navigating Mental Health and Industry Trends on The Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emma on 21st May 2024

In Episode 162 of The Ceres Podcast, Stelios is joined by co-hosts David Miller and David Nicolaou for a lively discussion spanning mental health, industry challenges, and sustainable business prac … read more

Episode 161 - Master Class with David Miller & Stelios - The Potato Selection Episode

Posted by Emily on 20th May 2024

Join hosts David Miller and Stelios in the inaugural episode of the Ceres Master Class, where they delve deep into the crucial topic of sourcing chipping potatoes for fish and chip shops. With over … read more

Episode 159: A Journey Through Triumph and Tragedy with David Nicolaou

Posted by Emily on 16th May 2024

In this thought-provoking episode of the Ceres Podcast, our host Stelios introduces us to David Nicolaou, the man behind Auckley Friery near Doncaster. David's narrative is a blend of personal and … read more

Episode 160: Mark Petrou & Giovanni Fionda on Fish, Chips, and Innovation

Posted by Emma on 16th May 2024

In a dynamic episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Mark Petrou sits down with Giovanni Fionda, winner of the Seafish Fish & Chip Shop of the Year 2010. Giovanni's journey from humble beginnings in … read more

Episode 158: Insights from Fry Magazine's Reece Head

Posted by Emily on 7th May 2024

In this enlightening episode, our host Stelios engages with Reece Head, a renowned authority in the fish and chips industry and a pivotal figure at Fry Magazine & the Fry Top 50 Awards. Reece, with … read more

Episode 157: Mark Petrou in conversation with Gordon Hillan

Posted by Emma on 6th May 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, Mark Petrou sits down with Gordon Hillan, the celebrated owner of multiple award-winning fish and chip shops, including the prestigious Seafish Fish & Ch … read more

Episode 156 - Read The News with David Nicolaou

Posted by Emma on 3rd May 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with David Nicolaou from Auckley Friary. They discuss the following topics: Greggs Successfully Overcomes Tech … read more

Episode 154 - From University to Young Fish Fryer Winner: Lauren Kellaway's Journey

Posted by Emily on 3rd May 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Kelly Barnes kicks off her first stint as host by welcoming Lauren Kellaway from Kellaways Fish & Chips in Truro. The conversation starts with Lauren's academi … read more

Episode 153 - A Sit-Down with Mark Polley from John Dorys Group

Posted by Emily on 3rd May 2024

Our recent podcast with Mark Polley, co-owner of the John Dorys Group, shared his insights into the thriving fish and chips industry. Operating seven successful outlets in Belfast, Marks's journey … read more

Episode 152: Meet the Pod Squad - A New Chapter for the Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emma on 1st May 2024

The Ceres Podcast is back with a bang, and Episode 152 is a milestone worth tuning into. Not only does it mark a new chapter in the podcast’s journey, but it also introduces an exciting line-up of … read more

Episode 155: How Miller’s Turned Passion into a National Title

Posted by Emma on 1st May 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, Mark Petrou sits down with David Miller, winner of the prestigious Fish & Chip Shop of the Year award. Together, they delve into the remarkable stor … read more

The Ceres Podcast: New Horizons, Fresh Voices!

Posted by Stelios on 29th Apr 2024

We're thrilled to announce a significant expansion of the Ceres Podcast family, marking a new era of bringing you new voices and different opinions. Stelios, our sole host for seven seasons, has pa … read more

Episode 151: Andrew Crook Discusses Industry Challenges

Posted by Emily on 24th Apr 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, we welcome back Andrew Crook for an insightful discussion. Andrew, a regular since the podcast's early days, delves into the current state and prospects of the … read more

Episode 150: The Birds Bakery Story with Jamie Bird

Posted by Emma on 14th Apr 2024

In the 150th episode of the Ceres Podcast, Jamie Bird of Birds Bakery steps into the spotlight for his first appearance, bringing stories from a bakery that's touched the hearts of many in Der … read more

Episode 149: Marcus French on Sustaining a Century-Old Business

Posted by Emma on 10th Apr 2024

In episode 149 of the Ceres Podcast, we had the pleasure of hosting Marcus French, the heart and soul behind the renowned French Fish Shop in Wells-next-the-Sea. A third-generation frier, Marcus br … read more

Episode 148: Jamie Russo's Story

Posted by Emma on 2nd Apr 2024

In episode 148 of the Ceres Podcast, Jamie Russo, the young and dynamic owner of the Redcloak Fish Bar in Stonehaven, makes his debut appearance, sharing an insightful journey from worker to a … read more

Episode 147: Charlie Collins on Winning Customers and Cutting Costs

Posted by Emma on 2nd Mar 2024

In episode 147 of the Ceres Podcast, the return of Charlie Collins, who previously appeared in episode 62, brings an insightful exploration of the resilience and strategic adaptation required in th … read more

Episode 146: John Molnar's Vision for The Cod's Scallops

Posted by Emma on 1st Mar 2024

In this engaging episode 146 of the Ceres Podcast, we reconnect with John Molnar, the force behind The Cod's Scallops. With outlets spread across Nottingham and an outpost in Harborne, Birming … read more

Episode 145: Paulo de Tarso Mastering the Art of Hospitality

Posted by Emma on 22nd Feb 2024

In the compelling 145th episode of the Ceres Podcast, we dive deep into the life and insights of Paulo de Tarso, a name that has become a hallmark of excellence in hospitality. From washing po … read more

Episode 144 - Reading The News with Jim Cowie

Posted by Emily on 16th Feb 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with Jim Cowie from the Seafood Matters Podcast. They discuss the following topics: Unfounded Fears: The Truth … read more

Episode 143: George's Tradition with Nick Hogan

Posted by Emily on 15th Feb 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, Season 7, Episode 143, Stelios had the privilege of sitting down with Nick Hogan, the managing director of George's Tradition, a name synonymous … read more

Episode 142: A Crucial Conversation with Kate Nicholls OBE on the Future of UK Hospitality

Posted by Emily on 5th Feb 2024

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Stelios engages in a deep conversation with Kate Nicholls OBE, the influential chief executive of UKHospitality. Episode 142 marks a significant mom … read more

Episode 141 - Discover the Art of Coffee with Austen Morley on Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emma on 30th Jan 2024

Are you a coffee business owner or someone who enjoys a good cup of joe? The latest Ceres Podcast episode featuring Austen Morley from Morley's Coffee is a must-listen. With his unique approach to … read more

Episode 140 - Geoff Whitehead from Dreams to Reality

Posted by Emma on 20th Jan 2024

Stelios welcomes Geoff Whitehead, the current National Federation of Fish Friers Fish & Chip Shop of the Year winner, in an engaging episode 140 of the Ceres Podcast that promises insights, in … read more

Episode 139 - Reading The News with David Nicolaou

Posted by Emily on 10th Jan 2024

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with David Nicolaou from Auckley Friary. They discuss the following topics: Significant Fine for London Bar After Ha … read more

Episode 138 - Reading The News with Zohaib Hussain

Posted by Emily on 25th Dec 2023

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with previous Young Fish Frier Winner Zohaib Hussain from Zero Plus Fish Bar in Cardiff. They discuss the followi … read more

Episode 137 - A Fascinating Glimpse into the World of Stelios with Thomas Doran

Posted by Emma on 24th Dec 2023

Episode 137 stands out as a particularly engaging session in the latest episode of the much-loved podcast series. Guest host Thomas Doran, known for his insightful questioning and deep dives into h … read more

Episode 136 - Reading The News with Mark Petrou

Posted by Emily on 24th Dec 2023

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with previous Seafish Fish & Chip Shop of the Year Winner Mark Petrou from Petrou Brothers in Chatteris.They d … read more

Episode 135 - Reading The News with Charlie Collins

Posted by Emily on 23rd Dec 2023

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios discusses the hospitality news with previous Young Fish Frier Winner Charlie Collins from Frydales in Leicester. They discuss the following topi … read more

Hugh Lipscombe on Episode 134: Legacy, Leadership, and the Future of Fish & Chips

Posted by Emily on 4th Mar 2023

In this captivating episode, we sit down with Hugh Lipscombe, the Founder and Chairman of The Chesterford Group. Hugh's journey began with the establishment of Fish N Chick'n and has since expan … read more

Episodes 132 & 133: Scaling Success with Alistair Horabin – The Ceres Podcast

Posted by Emma on 24th Jan 2023

In the latest two-part instalment of The Ceres Podcast, Stelios dives into an enlightening conversation with Alistair Horabin, the driving force behind the Seniors Fish and Chips brand. From hum … read more

Episode 131: Inside the Fish and Chip Awards with NFFF Director Josette Foster

Posted by Emma on 18th Jan 2023

In this captivating episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios sits down with Josette Foster, the owner of Fish and Chips at Western Grove in Chester, who shares her remarkable journey in the hospitalit … read more

Episode 128 - Getting Creative With Dan Nash

Posted by Michael on 1st Aug 2022

Dan Nash is the founder of SixEight, a creative agency that helps turn food brands into cult brands through the power of storytelling. In our latest podcast, Dan cuts through all the marketing jargo … read more

Episode 127 - Paul Gunning on his shoebox success

Posted by Emily on 7th Jun 2022

He’s worked in five star hotels, 2-3 rosette and Michelin starred restaurants and, 11 years ago, he opened Purslane in Edinburgh. If you’ve not yet had a chance to listen to our podcast with Paul … read more

Episode 126 - Life at the sharp end with Stefano Nella

Posted by Emily on 18th May 2022

“Knife sharpening is an important trade,” says Stefano Nella, director of sales operations of knife sharpening service Nella Cutlery Services. And he’s not joking, stating that the importanc … read more

Podcast #125 Matthew Konen, Athena B, Portslade, Brighton

Posted by Emily on 9th Apr 2022

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, 29-year-old Matthew Konen talks about the journey he’s been on and the challenges he’s faced since returning to help his mother, Mary, run the family fish and chi … read more

The Ceres Podcast: Celebrating a Milestone of 100 Episodes

Posted by Emily on 27th Jul 2021

This month, we recorded our 100th Ceres podcast episode, and I’m blown away when I look back at the calibre of the guests we’ve featured. When I started the podcasts two years ago, they focu … read more

How to Be a Great Podcast Guest

Posted by Stelios on 1st Jan 2021

The art of interviewing is a popular topic, but what about the art of being interviewed? While the role may feel more passive, it's just as active as the interviewer's.These tips for a memorable (in a … read more

Episode 48: James Ritchie bosses it at Stroud

Posted by Emily on 18th Mar 2020

Although James Ritchie’s plans for the first fish and chip shop he bought with his ex-wife Bonny was to own it for a couple of years and sell it on, it quickly became their baby and resulted in the … read more

Episode 45: Mulling things over with John Molnar

Posted by Emily on 29th Feb 2020

Spurred on by his dad telling him he would never be a better chef than him, it’s probably fair to say John Molnar can lay that ghost to rest. Not only has he held various top cheffing position … read more

Lets Get Technical

Posted by Stelios on 1st Jan 2020

We have compiled a guide to help you get the best audio quality on the day of your podcast recording. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch.What Screen - It's best to use a … read more

Episode 33: From field to fryer with Stuart Mitchell

Posted by Emily on 10th Nov 2019

Mitchell Potatoes can trace its roots back more than 400 years when the family were crofters - or small farmers - in Bathgate, Edinburgh. A deal with a duke, who happened to be one of the biggest l … read more

Episode 32: Mitch talks Rockfish & The Seahorse

Posted by Emily on 31st Oct 2019

Sitting in The Seahorse in Dartmouth, waiting for Mitch to turn up, you can see why this 40-cover, Italian-inspired restaurant is one-of-a-kind. Priced at the slightly higher end of the seafood spe … read more

Episode 27: Behind the Scenes with Amanda Afiya

Posted by Emily on 27th Sep 2019

During her time as editor at leading hospitality and catering magazine The Caterer, and in her current roles where she provides PR and consultancy services to chefs, restaurants and hotels, Amanda … read more

Episode 10 - Cyrus Todiwala from Mumbai to Café Spice Namaste

Posted by Emma on 15th Mar 2019

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios sits down with celebrated chef and restaurateur Cyrus Todiwala, the man behind Café Spice Namaste. The conversation spans Cyrus's remarkable jour … read more

Episode 9: How Fred Capel Built an Icon at Chez Fred

Posted by Emma on 28th Feb 2019

In this engaging episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios sits down with Fred Capel, owner of the renowned fish and chip shop Chez Fred. Fred takes us on a journey through his family’s history, from h … read more

Episode 8: Navigating Quotas, Brexit, and Sustainability with Bobby Joyce

Posted by Emma on 21st Feb 2019

In this episode of the Ceres Podcast, Stelios interviews Bobby Joyce from Smales Fish Merchants, diving into the complexities of the fish industry. The conversation starts with Bobby explaining his … read more

Episode 7: Loren lays it on the line

Posted by Jamie on 31st Jan 2019

As commercial officer at the Marine Stewardship Council (MSC), Loren Hiller is hugely passionate about eradicating unsustainable fishing, which she says has tripled over the past 40 years. She fi … read more

Episode 6: Craig Buckley's Vision for the Future of Fish and Chips

Posted by Emma on 26th Jan 2019

From humble beginnings in a local gastropub to becoming a recognised figure in the fish and chips industry, Craig Buckley's journey is a masterclass in passion, perseverance, and the pursuit of exc … read more

Episode 5: Phil Vickery's Journey of Passion and Purpose

Posted by Emma on 5th Jan 2019

In an episode that unfolds like a seasoned dish, blending the rich flavours of experience, passion, and innovation, Phil Vickery invites us into his world beyond the glare of TV lights. In this wor … read more

Episode 4: Stelios steps up to the mic

Posted by Emily on 23rd Dec 2018

A born talker, a food enthusiast and MD of Ceres, Stelios Theocharous turns the microphone on himself to explain the inspiration behind his podcasts and how he spends his time when he’s not worki … read more

Episode 3: Thomas Colombo, the Maestro of Mixology on a Global Stage

Posted by Emma on 23rd Dec 2018

In the heart of Italy, where the azure waters of Lake Garda lap against verdant shores, a story of passion, creativity, and cultural bridging through the art of mixology begins. Thomas Colombo, a n … read more

Episode 2: Charting the Future of Fish and Chips with Andrew Crook

Posted by Emma on 18th Dec 2018

In the latest episode of the Ceres Podcast, host Stelios sits down with Andrew Crook, President of the National Federation of Fish Friers (NFFF), for a deep dive into the heart of Britain's … read more

Episode 1: Making his Mark

Posted by Emma on 30th Nov 2018

Many of you probably already know Mark Petrou from one of his many guises: co-owner of Petrou Brothers in Chatteris, Cambridge; founder of Chippy Chat magazine and its online forum, the latter of w … read more

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